over 900 mpg on Coleman camping fuel, or white gas
(see 918 mpg below)
John Weston stands next to his 1992 Geo Storm GSI, which is equipped with his invention dubbed the Air Vapor Flow System. He claims the car can run 14 miles on 4 ounces of fuel, which means it runs with extreme fuel efficiency at 460+ miles per gallon.
The Geo Storm was a sport compact car manufactured by Isuzu and sold in the United States by General Motors from 1990 through 1993 as part of GM’s Geo line of inexpensive automobiles. The same vehicles, with minor variations, were sold in Canada in the 1992 & 1993 model years only. The Storm was intended to be a budget car with the look and feel of a sports car. The GSi version from these years … included a larger 1.8 L 140 hp engine. Autoweek’s 1990 review of the storm was titled “Slick, Quick And Inexpensive”.
John Weston: “Since I changed the fuel system unit, it’s drastically different. I disconnected the fuel line from the injector so no liquid goes to the engine,” said Weston. Weston showed local TV station NBC-2 a version of his air vapor flow system where instead of liquid fuel, only vapors go to the engine. “They used to say, ‘Hey I’m running on empty. I’m running on fumes.’ Well, this is actually running on fumes,” he said. Weston says the system burns cleaner and also made a bold claim about fuel efficiency from a one-time test. “It came up to 463 miles a gallon if we had driven in the same manner – a gallon,” said Weston. “I drove from here to Fort Myers, and I’m up there keeping up with traffic running 80 mph. ” Now, the backyard mechanic is looking for investors so he can eventually take his invention public. In the meantime, he says you might see his car on the highway.”
He also put his vaporizer on a generator, a riding lawnmower, and his motorcycle. (see photos below)
John Weston and his 400 mpg Geo Storm with his AVFS
By Ovidiu on July 17th, 2008
The NBC reporters were even taken on a test drive, where the engine stumbled a little bit and John said he put too much vapor on the pipe, so when he lowered the vapors, everything got back to normal.
“I learned that when using the AVFS [Air & Vapor Flow System] on my Geo Storm by using the standard 87 octane gasoline, then 89 octane, then used Coleman fuel(for lanterns), then charcoal lighter fluid and even rubbing alcohol. On each of the different fuels there was a different setting of the “air/vapor” mixture for the engine to run smoothly. Not only at idle, but on acceleration as well. I did NOT change timing or bypass any of the original sensors that are factory installed on our vehicles now-a-days.” – John Weston
“Based on talks with actual engineers that work at Ford and GM, these two companies have actively discouraged any improvements in fuel efficiencies. Engineers would be threatened if they were caught tinkering with the computer systems or searching for ways to make the car engines run more efficiently.” It is common knowledge among amateur car fanatics that the car computer systems are programmed to deliver 15% less fuel efficiency than is possible by enriching the gas mixture beyond what is actually needed.
orgoneproducts.org/blog/2008/07/06/why-general-motors-is-going-bankrupt-40-mpg-mini-car-unveiled/
posted by kbcjedi on July 6, 2008 at 11:42 am
Under the hood of John’s extremely fuel efficient car [understatement!]
Notice the white container with about a half inch of gasoline in the bottom and an extra pipe with a valve to allow him to adjust the amount of extra air (to control the air/vapor mixture).
It can also be seen the the air filter was in the area now occupied by his vapor system. Running without an air filter may be o.k. for a while – certainly long enough to do a few test drives and measure the rate of fuel consumption, but in the long run, an air filter will be needed. (see our “Run Your Car On Vapors” page)
Front page news:
October 9, 2007
If John Weston of Port Charlotte can get investors to take his gas-saving invention to the global automotive market, it just might solve the problems of smog, global warming and the high cost of foreign oil. It also might prove that human potential is not limited by education or socioeconomic status.
Weston, 48, who dropped out of high school as a 10th-grader but later achieved a GED, claims to have invented a device that can turn virtually any car into a gas-miser that can run as far as 500 miles on a single gallon.
Called the Air Vapor Flow System, or AVFS, the device functions by vaporizing gasoline before it gets inducted into the engine. That saves fuel and reduces pollution because it allows the engine to burn more of the fuel that gets sucked into the combustion chamber, he contends. The device works on small, industrial engines or larger automobile engines regardless of whether they have carburetors or fuel injection systems, according to Weston.
Weston has been working to bring a prototype of the invention into more advanced development since the late 1990s. After encountering some financial difficulties in recent months, Weston is now renewing efforts to find investors.
. . .
“My setback has always been financial,” Weston said. “That’s why I’m totally open to sponsors, investors or purchasers.” [see Reg Tech Inc. below]
a small, plastic tank
The device consists of a small, plastic tank that gets mounted under the hood of a car. Some hoses from the engine’s air intake housing are run to the top of the tank so that the engine draws in vapors from above the level of the liquid gasoline.
In an impromptu demonstration conducted for this reporter last week, Weston installed one of the devices into his battered 1992 Geo Storm. Weston’s car ran well on the vapors from the device when the level of the liquid in the tank was within a certain margin. The engine ran either too rich or too lean when the level was above or below that margin. The car traveled 14.8 miles on about 4 ounces of gasoline during the test. If accurate, that would amount to about 473 miles per gallon.
Weston’s neighbor, retired construction contractor William “Pops” Gavel, said he witnessed an even more dramatic experiment conducted by Weston. Gavel said he rode as passenger in Weston’s car for 28.7 miles — from Weston’s house to a location in Englewood — on just 4 ounces of Coleman camping fuel, or white gas. If accurate, that rate would be equivalent to 918 miles per gallon. Gavel said he watched Weston pour the 4 ounces into the tank and checked the mileage on the odometer himself.
“I couldn’t believe it,” said Gavel. “I said, ‘Wire me up!’ I’ve got a Ford V-8 whacking down a gallon every 17 miles and I thought, gee, I could drive all day with that kind of mileage.”
still, very crude, manual, operation
To operate the engine, once the fuel level dropped below its optimal margin, Weston briefly triggered a home-made switch 15 times. That pumped in additional fuel from his car’s regular fuel tank. The switch was made from a lamp cord. It was triggered by pushing the two prongs of the plug together for a split second. After the test, Weston estimated the amount of gasoline consumed by measuring the amount of gasoline that was added from his car’s regular fuel tank. To do that, he again triggered the homemade switch 15 times, this time pumping fuel into a measuring cup. The fuel measured 4 ounces.
“Right now, it’s looking like a Mickey-Mouse backyard setup, but regardless of the way it looks, it functions,” he said.
John Weston and his generator with his AVFS
Also yet to be perfected are ways to maintain the level of liquid fuel in the vapor tank, and a way to adjust the mix of air and vapor while driving.
Weston recently tested one of his AVFS tanks on a gasoline-powered utility generator. Without the device, the generator ran for 3.5 hours. With the device, it ran for 14 hours on the same amount of fuel, he said. [a 400% improvement]
School of hard knocks
Hailing from Connersville, Ind., Weston attended 23 schools in 10 grades before dropping out. He explained his father, a construction worker, moved the family often, in both Indiana and Florida. “I could not afford to take vehicles in to get repaired,” he recalled. “I could afford only to buy a Chilton’s manual and repair them myself.”
After working as a welder on oil rigs off Louisiana, he returned to Indiana to care for his ailing mother.
The breakthrough came after Weston, who routinely smokes cigarettes while working on his engines, needed to peer into the gas tank of a lawn mower engine. It was dark in the tank.
“I didn’t have a flashlight at the time, so I used a lighter,” he recalled.
Suddenly, a blast of flame blew out of the tank. Weston immediately realized the potential.
“I said, ‘Wow, let me try this,'” he said.
Weston grabbed a piece of tailpipe and stuck one into a carburetor and the other into a five-gallon gas can. The engine ran for a few moments on the vapors from the can, he said.
In 1996, a school teacher in his hometown invested $12,000 to help Weston fashion a working prototype. The teacher, Edward Slaybaugh of Connserville, Ind., said he considered the invention “the greatest boon this century.” “I hope some good comes of it,” Slaybaugh said Friday.
Reg Tech Inc.
In 1997, Weston sold the rights to his invention to Reg Tech Inc. and its subsidiary, Regi U.S., of British Columbia, Canada.
Weston’s deal called for the two Canadian firms to pay him $100,000 cash, $400,000 in stock, plus royalties. If the companies never turned the device into a commercial product, the company would still have to pay Weston $24,000 per year for 21 years under the contract.
The company had the AVFS tested on a small engine by the firm Adiabatics Inc. in Columbus, Ind. The results showed it reduced hydrocarbons 71 percent and carbon monoxide 25 percent. The rate of fuel consumption was reduced by 15 percent to 30 percent. But the device increased emissions of carbon dioxide 12 percent and nitrogen oxides 296 percent. Those are greenhouse and smog pollutants.
Weston said those emissions increased because Reg Tech’s engineer failed to properly adjust the vapor/air mixture. “Not all engineers are mechanics,” Weston said.
In 2002, Reg Tech relinquished the rights to the invention back to him.
John Robertson, Reg Tech president, said in a phone interview last month the company’s patent attorney had advised the firm that Weston’s invention was “unpatentable” because it was “not unique.” Apparently, a similar system may have been used in race cars in years past, Robertson said.
The company dropped the invention because it would have been unwise to invest in it without the protection of a patent, Robertson said.
John’s riding lawnmower running very very efficiently on vapor – notice, again, that the 1 small bottle produces too much vapor and he has to dilute it by joining a second pipe of air into the mixture
(white with a red valve). See a smaller bottle of fumes powering his – very fuel efficient – motorcycle, below.
the industry expresses its standard disapproval [to keep us from trying it for ourselves and discovering the truth.]
“The automotive industry has made strides in the past 10 years to make cars that produce less of such smog gases as hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides, said Jim Kliesch, senior analyst for clean vehicles at the Union of Concerned Scientists. [as long as it does not enhance gas mileage]
If a vaporization device such as Weston’s improved mileage to the levels that Weston claims, that would reduce gases contributing to global warming, said Kliesch. [an open recognition that Reg Tech’s testing through Adiabatics must have been flawed when claiming an increase in carbon dioxide and nitrogen]
“It sounds intriguing,” added John Cabaniss, director of environment and energy issues for the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers.
John Weston’s motorcycle outfitted with his very fuel efficient AVFS vapor system
Gas-saving invention sparks memories
GREG MARTIN, Charlotte Sun staff writer; Posted October 18, 2007
NORTH PORT – A story published last week about a 48-year-old Port Charlotte man’s invention that he claims allows cars to get as much as 400 miles per gallon garnered attention from Naples to Delray Beach and beyond.
It didn’t seem all that astonishing to 78-year-old North Port retiree Peter Simmons. In fact, it brought back fond memories. After reading the story, Simmons, a retired electronic instrumentation engineer, contacted the Sun to reminisce about the early days in his distinguished career, in which he worked to reinvent a vapor carburetor similar to the Port Charlotte man’s device.
“I’m quite sure it got 120 to 150 miles per gallon,” Simmons recalled. “Those numbers I remember. They’re cast in concrete in my brain, because every time we got up to 145 mpg or better, we’d say, ‘Gee whiz!'” Simmons is one of several alternative automotive energy buffs who contacted the Sun from across Florida in response to the article published Oct. 10 in the Daily News.
The article was about John Weston, who invented the Air Vapor Flow System. The invention consists of a tank mounted under the hood of a car that vaporizes gasoline by agitation. The car runs on fumes drawn from above the level of liquid gasoline in the tank.
A “super-charged” army?
Simmons, who was born in New Zealand and raised in England, said he suspects Big Oil has kept such innovations secret to protect profits. “It is my opinion that all this stuff has been kept quiet and unknown by the poor unsuspecting public,” he said. “They’ve all been taken for the biggest ride in history. We could have been getting 100 miles per gallon.” He has held that suspicion since the early 1950s, when he worked to develop a vapor carburetor with an engineering colleague he identified as Roy Lewelling.
…
The two men obtained crude plans for a vapor carburetor from an advertisement in one of the amateur engineering magazines that were popular in England at the time. “The advertisements sounded like a stupid dream and a con, with promises of a complete description of a carburetor that would get fantastic mileage,” Simmons recalled.
But Simmons said he was already a believer because he’d heard a legend that the British Army, under Maj. Gen. Bernard Montgomery, had used vapor carburetors in its tanks and artillery trucks to chase Germany’s Erwin Rommel from Egypt to Tunisia during World War II. The route began with what Montgomery had dubbed “Operation Supercharge” in November 1942. “Montgomery was able to get all the way to Tunis, I think, on one refueling,” said Simmons, who served in the British Army’s engineering division after the war. …
Old-time tinkering
Simmons said he and Lewelling began tinkering with the goal of creating what they dubbed the “Pogue type 2” carburetor. It was based on the concept of the Pogue carburetor, invented by Canadian Charles Nelson Pogue in 1927. It used a radiator-like device to heat the gasoline. An article about the Pogue carburetor in the May 1936 edition of the Canadian Automotive Trade magazine carried the headline: “Prominent automotive men convinced over 200 mpg possible.”
“Really, I was the guy who handed the spanners (wrenches) to Lewelling, and offered suggestions,” Simmons quipped. Simmons said they carefully measured the mileage they achieved and he’s convinced it reached as high as 150 mpg.
The results were tempered by two caveats: it ran only on “white gasoline,” a pure form of gasoline which was not readily available except to the military, and the mileage was based on imperial gallons, which are one-sixth bigger than U.S. gallons.
After several years of development, the project was dropped in 1953. Simmons said both he and his colleague were courting their future wives at the time and chose to devote more time to their regular careers.
Simmons said he wishes Weston luck with his vapor carburetor. “I hope he succeeds, and inspires the oil industry,” he said.
Weston said he was pleased to hear about Simmons’ story. It lends credence to his own venture, he said.
“Since there was a way to get that many miles per gallon on those old cars back then, why is it so hard to believe we can’t make it work now,” he asked.
Argosy Magazine had a five-page article about Tom Ogle and the media witnessed test of the “Oglemobile”. On that test run, Tom Ogle achieved more than 100 MPG in a 4,600 pound 1970 Ford Galaxie.
Tom Ogle was granted patent # 4,177,779 on Dec. 11th, 1979
“It all started with a lawn mower”
Charles Nelson Pogue
“In 1933 Charles Nelson Pogue made headlines when he drove a 1932 Ford V8, 200 miles on a gallon of gas during a demonstration conducted by The Ford Motor Company in Winnipeg, Manitoba using his super-carb system.” The Pogue Carb went into production and was sold openly. [317 were sold?] In the opening months of 1936, stock exchange offices and brokers were swamped with orders to dump all oil stock immediately. His invention caused such shock waves through the stock market, that the US and Canadian governments both stepped in and [successfully] applied pressure to stifle him.
Pogue went overnight from impoverished inventor to the manager of a successful factory making oil filters for the motor industry.
[ see Don Garlits with Pogue carb. on Super Carburetors Hist. page ]
Others
There are a number who have tinkered with innovative systems themselves.
They include Todd Mastro, owner of the Maxi Taxi business in Naples. After reading about Weston, Mastro contacted him to offer technical advice about how to make his invention more usable. He referred Weston to a technology that could automatically meter the flow of gasoline into the device, a technical difficulty for Weston.
Mastro also said he adds chemical pills purchased from Fuel Freedom International to the gas tanks of his company’s taxis to boost their mileage. The pills consist of a catalyst that helps burn gasoline in the combustion chamber, he said. Mastro said he’s convinced the pills add 5 to 15 miles per gallon to the mileage of the vehicles, which range from full-size sedans to GM’s Yukon SUV. Mastro said he became so enthusiastic about the product he now helps market it in the U.S. “I can’t shut up about this,” Mastro said. “If I’m saving money and helping the environment, I have to tell somebody.”
Richard Gargano, a business consultant from Naples, also contacted the Sun in hopes of forming a business relationship with Weston. Gargano said he represents a company that plans to build a high-tech enterprise center in south Florida. “I have associates who could be very interested in taking Weston to the next level in terms of financing him, housing him and getting this invention patented,” Gargano said.
The article also inspired inventor Gerald Rowley of Delray Beach to contact the Sun to share information about his invention, the Vapster. Rowley, who also works as a real estate appraiser, said he became an amateur mechanic because his hobby was racing go carts and dragsters. In the 1980s, he attended a seminar on the potential benefits of vaporizing gasoline, and he became hooked on the idea.
“I’ve done lots of research,” Rowley said. “I’ve studied a couple hundred patents (for vapor carburetors). The problem is turning a liquid into a gas in a way that it’s controlled.” Rowley spent many years trying to get engines to run on his device, which vaporizes gasoline by using the exhaust manifold to heat it.
Once the fuel reaches 250 degrees, it would build up enough pressure to run an engine, but the engine would run poorly, he said.
Rowley said he finally found success by accident. In frustration, he threw a rag over the air intake on a lawn mower and the engine suddenly started running well.
Rowley obtained a patent in 2003 for his device and is now looking for investors.
“I’m just a backyard mechanic,” Rowley said. “If I can get it to work, I don’t see why the large automakers can’t.” [they are covertly, actively, suppressing it. Read about their engineers above]
You can e-mail Greg Martin at gmartin@sun-herald.com.
see original story at: m.naplesnews.com/news/2007/oct/09/port_charlotte_man_claims_device_can_boost_car_mil/
from Tim Allen’s Idea Exchange; December 2007
THE AVFS
Hi,
My name is John Weston, the inventor of a fuel system called the Air/Vapor Flow System, referred to as AVFS, and would like to present this to everyone who is into automotive, energy saving systems, environment and new ideas that are a benefit to our society. Not to mention our economy, since the AVFS has been proven to get 14.8 miles on 4oz of 87octane gasoline, witnessed by Mr. Greg Martin, a reporter for the Charlotte Sun-Herald of Port Charlotte Florida.
I developed the AVFS to operate an engine on the gasoline vapors which eliminates liquid gasoline from going to the engine. This does away with any unburned fuel in the exhaust (meaning no need for the EGR system) and reduces the emissions by up to 70% and possibly even more now (since I am doing further R&D).
With the reporter riding along with me when he was doing the story on the AVFS in the local news paper, we were able to drive 14.8 miles on 4 oz. of liquid gasoline going to the AVFS tank that I had developed and adapted to the 1992 GEO Storm GSI, using the simple materials I was able to afford at the time, being some pvc tubing and fittings, some electrical conduit tubing and a plastic tank that was actually manufactured to be a tank for windshield washer fluid. That added up to be about 460 miles of driving if we had gone through a gallon of gasoline during the ride for proving that the AVFS does actually work and was being witnessed by the reporter so he would be able to be honestly writing a true story.
My reason, hopes and desires for presenting the AVFS in this manner is that perhaps someone would be willing to either come here or have me brought to his/her facility or business, regardless of small or large selection of automobiles or equipment operated by gasoline engines, and give someone the opportunity to see it function in person, on any vehicle chosen to have the AVFS adapted to, the aspects of the AVFS and perhaps present it or assist financially as a means of helping get the AVFS in use for the sake of our environment, economy, energy savings and ability to stop buying so much oil from out of our country.
I thank you for your time and efforts in reading this email and for your response and other actions.
. . .
I did file a patent registration on it before presenting it to others. Plus, being a certified paralegal helped to put together several other AGREEMENTS that are signed before others are shown the whole working of the AVFS. I am hoping this will reach some people who will be able and interested in sponsoring or investing soon. Hate to say, but am at a financial stand still currently and open for sponsorship(s) from $10.00 and up. Even small amounts help in big ways.
Sincerely,
John Weston AVFSman@aol.com
see original post at ideaexchange.timallen.com/viewtopic.php?t=5315
___________________________
in response to an encouraging comment about the Florida racing circuit:
Thu Dec 13, 2007
Thank you for scouting for me Hon. I have sent emails to lots of the racing circuit also. But seems they must get swamped with so much emails and takes a long while for them to get back to answering them all. I keep plugging at it every day tho. So hopefully, things will start moving along soon.
Have been hoping that Tim would catch wind of this since he is really into new ideas, energy savings and such. Am sure he will in due time (I hope) : )
Jul 17, 2008 10:36 PM
Later, the same statement, above, was posted on the care2 petition web site.
John Weston
AVFSman [at] aol.com
Posted 6/23/2010 9:33 pm at f2bbs.com/bbs/show_topic/257928
Hi,
Thanks for posting again. I know what you mean about others being open for trying to take the AVFS idea, soooooo, I did file a patent registration on it before presenting it to others. Plus, being a certified paralegal helped to put together several other AGREEMENTS that are signed before others are shown the whole working of the AVFS.
I am hoping this will reach some people who will be able and interested in sponsoring or investing soon. Hate to say, but am at a financial stand still currently and open for sponsorship(s) from $10.00 and up. Even small amounts help in big ways.
AVFSman, Inventor of the Air/Vapor Flow System— “AVFS”
he also mentions his patent registration at
anonboard.com/bbs/show_topic/257928/1#msg_1936690
* * UPDATE * *
John Weston
02-07-2014
Good morning,
Thank you for your efforts in sending me the email and for putting the post about the AVFS news articles and other posts on your website. I did re-write the post on the Tim Allen site in order to update some news about the initial direction I am determined to follow through with in regard to the importance of being able to obtain energy that will drastically reduce the demand for paying the power companies as most all people, as well as businesses, are doing in order to enjoy the benefits of having electricity; along with contact information that was/is on the original posting there. I have also worked at establishing some pages on Google, GoogleGreen, Facebook and wherever I can present current details about the AVFS and my intention to bring forth freedom from the “grid” for as many people and businesses as possible.
. . . The mystery of 100+ mpg cars, and the disappearance & deaths of men behind it,
Feel free to contact me if interested in assisting with the funds required to further the development of the AVFS by having a living and work establishment available. Until then I am unable to proceed with the progress that will become a very helpful endeavor. By and with the help of the Almighty it WILL be accomplished.
John Weston
AVFSman@aol.com
Feb.08,2014
Great determination concerning the air/fuel mixture ratio. The ‘by the book’ 14.7/1 ratio will vary depending upon what TYPE of fuel is being used- any difference in the octane rating will cause the ratio to fluctuate in order to obtain a near perfect burn of all the liquid fuel that is being mixed with the air. And even that can change depending on altitude in extreme conditions such as found in aircraft with internal combustion engines. And THEN we get to the major difference of the more favorable mixture ratio when we get to mixing air with VAPOR. There is absolutely not any way to go by the book when dealing with a total different mixture, even when only mixing the air with vapors from different types of fuel (liquid). I learned that when using the AVFS on my Geo Storm by using the standard 87 octane gasoline, then 89 octane, then used Coleman fuel(for lanterns), then charcoal lighter fluid and even rubbing alcohol. On each of the different fuels there was a different setting of the “air/vapor” mixture for the engine to run smoothly. Not only at idle, but on acceleration as well. I did NOT change timing or bypass any of the original sensors that are factory installed on our vehicles now-a-days. Lets get back to the very basics of how the internal combustion engine operates and we will see what we are able to do to improve the power and acceptance of them.
John Weston
AVFSman@aol.com
02-13-2014
Good morning,
Thank you for your efforts in putting news about the AVFS on your web site and/or your news publications. I have written in order to update some news about the initial direction I am determined to follow through with in regard to the importance of being able to obtain energy that will drastically reduce the demand for paying the power companies as most all people, as well as businesses, are doing in order to enjoy the benefits of having electricity; along with contact information that was/is on the original postings. I have also worked at establishing some pages on Google, Facebook and wherever I can present current details about the AVFS and my intention to bring forth freedom from the “grid” for as many people and businesses as possible.
I have been out of commission for the past five years due to a wrongful/illegal conviction/sentence for being in possession of a firearm at my home where I was sleeping 8 hours of a supposed 10 hour standoff. The fact that Indiana is a state that restores the right to bear arms if convicted of a felony (unless the conviction was domestic battery) was not accepted by the court in Charlotte County Florida where the alleged incident took place. I intend to seek an attorney or firm to bring suite against the state of Florida, etc. for the violation of the Brady Act that caused me to be incarcerated for the past five years. But because of that action, I am unable to retain any such assistance until I am able to get the AVFS situated in a profitable manner; of which I am in need of financial assistance to get accomplished also, along with obtaining a place to live. No garage or access to a place for doing any further development of the AVFS is available at this time, but will hopefully come to a prompt end so I will be able to start getting the results that WILL follow when I am able to present the difference that the AVFS makes when adapted to an engine operating generators. My intention is to keep a focus on applying the AVFS on generator applications.
… There are pictures of different applications, shown [here] … [These] pictures will establish the research I am still needing to do in regard to different size, dimensions, etc. before continuing with one particular unit package of the AVFS for use on other equipment applications. That search will also result in presenting a site (The mystery of 100+ mpg cars, and the disappearance & deaths of men behind it) that I will NOT allow to sway me in regard to continuing, even though I am the only one of the three shown who is still able to continue.
. . .
John Weston
AVFSman@aol.com
contact John at AVFSman@aol.com
Do it yourself
2014: We have now found others like John who have discovered how to run on vapor-fumes and are sharing their success on our “Run your car on vapor” page. … They show and tell exactly how John and the others do it. – with a bottle and some hose.
i would like for you to install one my 1990 Mazda b2200 truck 5 speed
im from NC but will be cumming to fl very soon
peace
nick cassizzi
John has said (above) that he does not have a place to do the install. Do you know of a rent-a-bay self-serve-garage in Port Charlotte you can rent for a few hours? In any case you had better call him or send him an email first.
If he cannot do it, you may need to see our do-it-yourself page “Run your car on vapors” (above).
John, Would you consider selling plans so that a an old Aircraft Mechanic could try to Incorporate your setup with a GEET system for a potential mind blowing extra efficiency on whatever Gasoline engine I choose to experiment on? Just a thought? Please Email me with a response. Thanx, Roger in Chicago.
John surely does read this page from time to time, but you should send him an email. (above)
I like this kind of invention. I installed a water vapor injector in my cousins car way back in the late 70’s and it really helped in the mpg of the vehicle so I am interested more in this avfs
for do-it-yourself projects, as you have done already, see our “Run your car on vapors” post
I just sent you an e-mail with regards to purchasing the system for my testing, and offering a business proposal to you for investment purposes, and guarantees of lifetime residual income for yourself–for each and every unit that is sold !!
Ryan Lalli
We have just finished installing a vaporizer system in a customers motor home, He was getting 8 MPG and he is now getting 26.6 MPG Now I know it is not 100 MPG but it is an increase of over 200% and our customer is very happy. I will keep posting our progress in the future.
Charles, Vancouver Canada.
200 mph is hoped for cars. 8 x 4 = 24 => over 400% increase. Great!
What does the vaporizer system look like? (see our Super Carburetor page)
Great ideas are not always wanted by some people or companies. Pleas check out more information on a very remarkable fuel system that will help our society and the rest of the world in a given time of favor. There is a need for funding and a safe place for continuing the development of the AVFS which will be greatly appreciated. My determination of a safe place will be a motorhome just large enough to tow a mid size enclosed utility trailer that will be used as a garage. That will provide a way to live/work/travel for the sake of continuing the advancements of the AVFS and allow for it to be presented to others for the sake of estabishing a way for it to bring help in various ways. Thank you for taking the time to do so.
John Weston AVFSman@aol.com
765 377-0628
@Devon O’neal
The statement above made by the young man who knows what he is talking about tells the story why the AVFS is able to achieve such a major difference:
I have also acquired knowledge that gasoline vapor will expand to fill a maximum 160 useable gallons from one gallon of liquid fuel. Now there’s a thought. :)
John Weston
Hello folks. I’ve been through this process the last few months making different used motor oil burners to heat my shop. Its all about fuel air atomization and the right mix creates remarkable results from 1 gph to .25 gph with minor tweaking. Currently I’m working on firing a forge with used motor and hydraulic oils for my machines. What I’ve been able to accomplish so far is approximately 120,000 btu’s on a .30 gph used oil atomization about a 1/3rd of a gallon versus the common home oil furnace which consumes 3 times that an hour or more. It burns very clean once going, all you see is heat waves out of the chimney stack and zero smoke. I’m a redneck in the back woods Canada making do with what I’ve got and put effort into staying away from the society machine and human condition. To sum it up. I’m a left handed uneducated dyslexic that when looking at a snowmobile see my lawn tractor turned into a bull dozer. Necessity is the mother of invention, and I have been dubbed a modern day Leo da Vinci, To he’s not around today.
Thank-you for all the inspiration. Lets knock the baron’s on their butts, and give something back.
Okay I am a 20 year old young man that loves mechanical engineering and physics… all subcategories of physics. And I am out of work struggling to pay rent and bills because I decided going to work was more important than school (Which was unavoidable at the time in order to have a place to live). But that’s off topic and irrelevant what I am getting at is I have been doing a lot of research on this method of gas saving/multiplying from newtons laws of thermodynamics, chemistry (currently), forums of other peoples achievements, Tom Ogle’s theory’s, and tinkering myself that has lead me to produce something I call a 2 stage vaporizer, now bear with me and understand I work with what I got from left over bottles and containers to the copper freon tube from the central air condensing unit I have no income at the moment. This 2 stage bubbler(s) consists of a water vaporizer (bubbler) leading to heat source and routed then to the gasoline vaporizer warming the gasoline with hot water vapors (hho almost) to grab carbon in gas that would gum up intakes and convert it into a burnable substance when both gas and water vapor run to heat source to become synthesized into hydrogen hydrogen methane and then pulled into the air intake plenum to throw off O2 sensors into injecting less liquid gas. But the pcv blow off gases leaving regulator valve used to regulate vacuum to the bubblers is run out the water bubbler and routed to the intake to cool incoming air further (thus utilizing wasted PVC gas that would just get blown into engine compartment).
Now I haven’t messed with fuel system yet because the 94 Honda accord VTEC 2.2L I4 I own is a car I need to rely on so I am equipping a sort of bolt on fuel vapor mark 2 accessory in case I need to take it out. What I need is no more than $50 to put together a presentable up to date bolt on system that I can advertise and sell the service of installing it on other peoples car thus putting it out to the public for them to realize that it is very easy and can be very affordable. So that the people also say why don’t we have cars the are this efficient stock, and I can be stable with some sort of income. Now I won’t be selling the product because the product has to be built and is not considered a product but rather a combination of products to boost fuel efficiency. I’ll be selling my service, not a product like a name brand air intake.
I have also acquired knowledge that gasoline vapor will expand to fill a maximum 160 useable gallons from one gallon of liquid fuel. Now there’s a thought. :)
Devon O’neal
HI Guys Im currently dreaming of some way to heat my diesel on my simi truck and feed vapors into the engine. I tried last yr with a bubbler but failed because i think i couldent get enough cold vapor into the engine to make a difference. I now am focasing on heating diesel and water from the exhast pipe and letting water and diesel vapor enter the intake.Im hoping the pressure from steam and fuel vapor will push through the turbo pressure in the intake. I have a 1996 N14 cummings 460 HP. Even 1 mpg differance would be 1000s of dollars per yr.. Heres hoping..Any ideas people? – danny brown
#Shorty Feden: Sadly you’re mistaken. Oil companies do make the vast majority of their money off of end user sales. While it is true there is a federal tax and state tax on gas and fuel oil per gallon, this tax is cents on the dollar spent. Crude oil and refined mass produced oil have remained roughly the same price for nearly 60 years following a slow upward trend that is closely linked to inflation. The high cost at the pump is related to the gouging that occurs at the end retailer. Most end retailers like Mobile and Exxon stations and BP stations raise the overall cost per gallon to quite often to several times that of crude oil cost per gallon. (Right now the cost per barrel of crude oil is around 110 usd, that’s a 50 gallon barrel. This comes to about 2.2 usd per gallon. Production cost raises the produced gasoline to 2.5 usd per gallon. However, on average the cost of crude oil per barrel has been far less. Around 50 usd per barrel. Historically it hovers between 50-80 usd per barrel. At 50 usd per barrel you’re talking a dollar per gallon and a produced cost of 1.50 per gallon. This is on par with the last fifty years if you take into account inflation.) So why is it that in some parts of the states gas is at or near $5/gallon? It’s not taxes (which account on average for 45 cents of the total cost (Fed and State combined tax). It’s because the Oil companies are gouging us. Not only do they charge the end supplier for the delivered gasoline, but then they require higher prices so they have a higher profit margin. Then let’s also consider that the US subsidizes oil companies by the billions of dollars.
In short Oil companies make a great deal if not a majority of their earnings from fuel (gasoline, produced diesel, furnace oil, and lubricants). Only a small portion of their earnings are from plastics.
I read that the oil company’s etc make all the money from fuel that powers vehicle’s. That’s not quite true. First the US Government has a Federal tax on each gal of fuel that is pumped and so does each state in the US. You would be surprised how much tax is collected each year of by the Feds and the states. Now just think how much money the Feds and states would loose each year if somebody built a 400 mpg auto or truck. And oh yes the poor commodity broker who makes a living buying and selling fuel and oil too. You might be surprised on how he can do that without paying the full amount of purchase on it too. At least till he makes his profit from it.
Also you dont need large amounts of heat to turn gas into a vapor. Its call vacuum distillation. You can boil water by putting a vacuum on it without any heat.
Shorty Feden
Dear ed do you ever think to yourself- why does knowone [sic] listen?!…All you people that keep posting questions on this site, John Weston cannot be contacted! His email and phone number do not connect! However Pogue i suspect was the first as he heated the gasoline (as he said before it entered the carburettor.) Then Tom ogle also heated the fuel, but removed the carb. and fuel pump, so the black box refered to sat on the engine had to be an air filter, as particles still need to be filtered /removed from the air or the bores/cylinders will be scored and engine life shortened. Under the air filter must have sat a Throttle plate, which he must have removed from the carb., as there would have been no other way to control revs or accelerate!(controling the amount of Air) So that only leaves 1 question to be answered :that is how or what did he use to control the Vapours? As when the engine is under load ie :driving up hill- more vapours will be required.? As for John Weston his device is very simular to the Indonesian guy (name?)who fitted a system called H.C.S -Hydrogen Cracking. The only difference i can find between the 2 is john does not mention a Copper pipe wrapped around the exhaust, and therefore we are led to believe that John did not heat the fuel.
Hydrogen will not be the fuel of the future because it requires a specific frequency to produce the hydrogen until then it will remain dead in the water. Another thing to make a car run right on hydrogen you need to have hydrogen spark plugs and some old guy has a patent on it. I believe Hydrogen to take off when someone puts it all on paper especially the right frequency.The trouble is someone always wants to get rich on the invention and it will never happen because of our Goverment they always die or get forgotten or payed off from some oil company. This needs to be done on a open source like this blog and to further contribute to the project at hand. The money will not come from a patent it will come from simple garages around the world charging a reasonable price once we get that going they won’t be able to stop us and this is the truth. If we sit here on the internet all day instead of getting an old brigs and stratton engine to do some testing at different temps for vaporized gas or different things for hydrogen experiments, we won’t ever get anything done talking about it and waiting on someone to come up with a magical idea. I dont have a mill or a lathe but but I got a lot of tools and the things that I need fabricated I will out source and when I get it finished I will post it on youtube and any other blog I can find and then print thousands of copys of the design and put them everywhere so the goverment or the oil company’s wont be able to control it but they may try and put a $4.00 gallon tax on fuel I could see that happening but I’ll just run on wood gas I would like to see them tax that lol. To end this long rant I will say Yahushua bless every one of my brothers and sisters in Yahushua and I pray that Yahushua will help us some how change our evil/demonic/country’s goverment.
EFI Engineer, are you talking to me, Steve? My idea was to super heat the fuel injection lines. Sounds like you have done a lot with cars. I must admit that I am more of a thinker than a fabricator. But I am pretty good with my hands and tools. I have never worked with injectors. But, … , does it seem to make sense that the fuel rail could be super heated to a temperature that would cause the fuel to ‘flash’ to vapor as soon as it exited the injector? Would it be likely to return to droplets as it encountered cooler induction air? That would result in an overly lean and probably incombustible a/f mixture? I hope you’re thinking my idea has potential. Where u be? I am in North Florida. Right now I do not have email. HEY !! if this vapor fuel thing doesn’t workout we can always start an NSA email service, GUARANTEED TO NEVER GET LOST, NOT EVEN IN A MILLION YEARS !!! AND IF IT DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING TO THE RECIPIENTS WE ARE CERTAIN TO CONTORT IT UNTIL IT MEANS SOMETHING TO US! !!! Steve.
I don’t know where to start, i can go on and on…. but i can help you do this the right way..I am a efi engineer/tuner and mechanic/fabricator. been working on combustible engines since I was a little boy and was always fascinated with them. I too am pursuing the same dream. well have already done it just not in a form of selling kits to the public and telling the world i did this.. just on my own race car which Me,Myself and I built and tuned through a standalone computer (pcm) and some really sophisticated computer software only a few people in the country know how to use (same stuff nascar just went to like last year..there behind in my book)… you need the standalone pc or piggback another computer to a factory PCM to do this really PRO.control the fuel flow through a pwm signal just like injectors are driven or idle air control valves. without a computer its simply shooting in the dark. the post up top is right about water vapor as well. fuel cools a engine not vapor..with computer you can control a/f ratio faster then ANYTHING MECHANICALLY and also control every other 1000+ things going on a second in the pcm to make a efi engine run… through this computer and software the sky is the limit pretty much.. I am able to get around 1200 hp on ethanol which is under 3 bucs at the local gas pump on a 3.0 liter Toyota turbocharged engine and drive daily on the street and pass emissions if I needed..me and a electrical engineer friend on mine have the first and only lexus to make over 800 rear wheel horsepower and pass 0b2 federal emissions. I can make more power but i am running out of turbo CFM and fuel.. now my project has moved towards gas milage, which is good cause its easier to do then make BIG HP on small engines. I prefer to use gasoline fumes because its simply better for a combustible iron engine. getting a engine to make incredible gas mileage is really incredibly easy when controlling/building and programming your own pcm think how nice it is to make fumes, store fumes, inject fumes, with map sensor or mass air flow pressure tables in the software, as cylinder temps go up tell the computer to retard timing at lightening fast speeds (god bless processors) through 1000+ maps in the software. and inject water vapor.. remember things become cold when they evaporate. injecting tiny bits of water in the engine at the right times being told through the computer and software that I am programming and telling what to do. I will not go public and big with such a great thing cause you will end up shit out of luck. but for personal use and boost economy on regular cars can be sold without being shot =) simply put electronically fuel injecting the vapor is the only way to do this in a big way as all modern cars have a pcm that needs to be tuned for pure vapor. carbs are a thing of the past for Great reasons! need a hand shoot me a email efimastertech at gmail dot com I too am a high school dropout and broke as hell like all others that make it happen lol
I would really like to get plans for a system like this. I have been thinking along these lines for quite some time but instead of playing with the Geo’s or the other econo-boxes, why has someone not yet done a system like this on a truck, you know, something that is practical and would positively effect those in the construction or hauling industry. I have a Chevy Suburban (older one) that is currently getting 10 mpg. With number like John Weston is getting, I should have no problem getting 100 mpg with a similar system. I would encourage John to market it himself, privately to individuals. The minute he decides to go “public” he puts himself in a situation where he, too, could end up mysteriously dying and all his research will end up missing. That is what happened to Stanley Meyers. You are a fool to think that you can position yourself as a threat to the oil industry and not have all kinds of retribution. Just get it out there one by one and eventually there will be so much demand for it that the oil companies can’t fight it. I wish these inventors would just offer plans for sale (and for a reasonable price) and make their money that way and installing systems. don’t go public if you value your life and research material. please!!
j. bunting
i would like for you to install one my 1990 Mazda b2200 truck 5 speed
im from NC but will be cumming to fl very soon
peace
nick cassizzi
John has said (above) that he does not have a place to do the install. Do you know of a rent-a-bay self-serve-garage in Port Charlotte you can rent for a few hours? In any case you had better call him or send him an email first.
If he cannot do it, you may need to see our do-it-yourself page “Run your car on vapors” (above).
John, Would you consider selling plans so that a an old Aircraft Mechanic could try to Incorporate your setup with a GEET system for a potential mind blowing extra efficiency on whatever Gasoline engine I choose to experiment on? Just a thought? Please Email me with a response. Thanx, Roger in Chicago.
John surely does read this page from time to time, but you should send him an email. (above)
I like this kind of invention. I installed a water vapor injector in my cousins car way back in the late 70’s and it really helped in the mpg of the vehicle so I am interested more in this avfs
for do-it-yourself projects, as you have done already, see our “Run your car on vapors” post
I just sent you an e-mail with regards to purchasing the system for my testing, and offering a business proposal to you for investment purposes, and guarantees of lifetime residual income for yourself–for each and every unit that is sold !!
Ryan Lalli
We have just finished installing a vaporizer system in a customers motor home, He was getting 8 MPG and he is now getting 26.6 MPG Now I know it is not 100 MPG but it is an increase of over 200% and our customer is very happy. I will keep posting our progress in the future.
Charles, Vancouver Canada.
200 mph is hoped for cars. 8 x 4 = 24 => over 400% increase. Great!
What does the vaporizer system look like? (see our Super Carburetor page)
Great ideas are not always wanted by some people or companies. Pleas check out more information on a very remarkable fuel system that will help our society and the rest of the world in a given time of favor. There is a need for funding and a safe place for continuing the development of the AVFS which will be greatly appreciated. My determination of a safe place will be a motorhome just large enough to tow a mid size enclosed utility trailer that will be used as a garage. That will provide a way to live/work/travel for the sake of continuing the advancements of the AVFS and allow for it to be presented to others for the sake of estabishing a way for it to bring help in various ways. Thank you for taking the time to do so.
John Weston
AVFSman@aol.com
765 377-0628
@Devon O’neal
The statement above made by the young man who knows what he is talking about tells the story why the AVFS is able to achieve such a major difference:
I have also acquired knowledge that gasoline vapor will expand to fill a maximum 160 useable gallons from one gallon of liquid fuel. Now there’s a thought. :)
John Weston
Hello folks. I’ve been through this process the last few months making different used motor oil burners to heat my shop. Its all about fuel air atomization and the right mix creates remarkable results from 1 gph to .25 gph with minor tweaking. Currently I’m working on firing a forge with used motor and hydraulic oils for my machines. What I’ve been able to accomplish so far is approximately 120,000 btu’s on a .30 gph used oil atomization about a 1/3rd of a gallon versus the common home oil furnace which consumes 3 times that an hour or more. It burns very clean once going, all you see is heat waves out of the chimney stack and zero smoke. I’m a redneck in the back woods Canada making do with what I’ve got and put effort into staying away from the society machine and human condition. To sum it up. I’m a left handed uneducated dyslexic that when looking at a snowmobile see my lawn tractor turned into a bull dozer. Necessity is the mother of invention, and I have been dubbed a modern day Leo da Vinci, To he’s not around today.
Thank-you for all the inspiration. Lets knock the baron’s on their butts, and give something back.
Steve Lindsay
Okay I am a 20 year old young man that loves mechanical engineering and physics… all subcategories of physics. And I am out of work struggling to pay rent and bills because I decided going to work was more important than school (Which was unavoidable at the time in order to have a place to live). But that’s off topic and irrelevant what I am getting at is I have been doing a lot of research on this method of gas saving/multiplying from newtons laws of thermodynamics, chemistry (currently), forums of other peoples achievements, Tom Ogle’s theory’s, and tinkering myself that has lead me to produce something I call a 2 stage vaporizer, now bear with me and understand I work with what I got from left over bottles and containers to the copper freon tube from the central air condensing unit I have no income at the moment. This 2 stage bubbler(s) consists of a water vaporizer (bubbler) leading to heat source and routed then to the gasoline vaporizer warming the gasoline with hot water vapors (hho almost) to grab carbon in gas that would gum up intakes and convert it into a burnable substance when both gas and water vapor run to heat source to become synthesized into hydrogen hydrogen methane and then pulled into the air intake plenum to throw off O2 sensors into injecting less liquid gas. But the pcv blow off gases leaving regulator valve used to regulate vacuum to the bubblers is run out the water bubbler and routed to the intake to cool incoming air further (thus utilizing wasted PVC gas that would just get blown into engine compartment).
Now I haven’t messed with fuel system yet because the 94 Honda accord VTEC 2.2L I4 I own is a car I need to rely on so I am equipping a sort of bolt on fuel vapor mark 2 accessory in case I need to take it out. What I need is no more than $50 to put together a presentable up to date bolt on system that I can advertise and sell the service of installing it on other peoples car thus putting it out to the public for them to realize that it is very easy and can be very affordable. So that the people also say why don’t we have cars the are this efficient stock, and I can be stable with some sort of income. Now I won’t be selling the product because the product has to be built and is not considered a product but rather a combination of products to boost fuel efficiency. I’ll be selling my service, not a product like a name brand air intake.
I have also acquired knowledge that gasoline vapor will expand to fill a maximum 160 useable gallons from one gallon of liquid fuel. Now there’s a thought. :)
Devon O’neal
HI Guys Im currently dreaming of some way to heat my diesel on my simi truck and feed vapors into the engine. I tried last yr with a bubbler but failed because i think i couldent get enough cold vapor into the engine to make a difference. I now am focasing on heating diesel and water from the exhast pipe and letting water and diesel vapor enter the intake.Im hoping the pressure from steam and fuel vapor will push through the turbo pressure in the intake. I have a 1996 N14 cummings 460 HP. Even 1 mpg differance would be 1000s of dollars per yr.. Heres hoping..Any ideas people? – danny brown
#Shorty Feden: Sadly you’re mistaken. Oil companies do make the vast majority of their money off of end user sales. While it is true there is a federal tax and state tax on gas and fuel oil per gallon, this tax is cents on the dollar spent. Crude oil and refined mass produced oil have remained roughly the same price for nearly 60 years following a slow upward trend that is closely linked to inflation. The high cost at the pump is related to the gouging that occurs at the end retailer. Most end retailers like Mobile and Exxon stations and BP stations raise the overall cost per gallon to quite often to several times that of crude oil cost per gallon. (Right now the cost per barrel of crude oil is around 110 usd, that’s a 50 gallon barrel. This comes to about 2.2 usd per gallon. Production cost raises the produced gasoline to 2.5 usd per gallon. However, on average the cost of crude oil per barrel has been far less. Around 50 usd per barrel. Historically it hovers between 50-80 usd per barrel. At 50 usd per barrel you’re talking a dollar per gallon and a produced cost of 1.50 per gallon. This is on par with the last fifty years if you take into account inflation.) So why is it that in some parts of the states gas is at or near $5/gallon? It’s not taxes (which account on average for 45 cents of the total cost (Fed and State combined tax). It’s because the Oil companies are gouging us. Not only do they charge the end supplier for the delivered gasoline, but then they require higher prices so they have a higher profit margin. Then let’s also consider that the US subsidizes oil companies by the billions of dollars.
In short Oil companies make a great deal if not a majority of their earnings from fuel (gasoline, produced diesel, furnace oil, and lubricants). Only a small portion of their earnings are from plastics.
– Kristoffer Jay Martin
I read that the oil company’s etc make all the money from fuel that powers vehicle’s. That’s not quite true. First the US Government has a Federal tax on each gal of fuel that is pumped and so does each state in the US. You would be surprised how much tax is collected each year of by the Feds and the states. Now just think how much money the Feds and states would loose each year if somebody built a 400 mpg auto or truck. And oh yes the poor commodity broker who makes a living buying and selling fuel and oil too. You might be surprised on how he can do that without paying the full amount of purchase on it too. At least till he makes his profit from it.
Also you dont need large amounts of heat to turn gas into a vapor. Its call vacuum distillation. You can boil water by putting a vacuum on it without any heat.
Shorty Feden
Fumes stuff has a big potential just need to be developed,
stratified combustion is great with fumes technology.
I would like to get a good gas mileage for my 97 Nissan pathfinder, please help.
maybe you can contact him now
Is John still in jail or has he been released?
John is no longer listed on http://www.mugshots.com (see March 27, 2013 comment above). Hope that means he is out.
Dear ed do you ever think to yourself- why does knowone [sic] listen?!…All you people that keep posting questions on this site, John Weston cannot be contacted! His email and phone number do not connect! However Pogue i suspect was the first as he heated the gasoline (as he said before it entered the carburettor.) Then Tom ogle also heated the fuel, but removed the carb. and fuel pump, so the black box refered to sat on the engine had to be an air filter, as particles still need to be filtered /removed from the air or the bores/cylinders will be scored and engine life shortened. Under the air filter must have sat a Throttle plate, which he must have removed from the carb., as there would have been no other way to control revs or accelerate!(controling the amount of Air) So that only leaves 1 question to be answered :that is how or what did he use to control the Vapours? As when the engine is under load ie :driving up hill- more vapours will be required.? As for John Weston his device is very simular to the Indonesian guy (name?)who fitted a system called H.C.S -Hydrogen Cracking. The only difference i can find between the 2 is john does not mention a Copper pipe wrapped around the exhaust, and therefore we are led to believe that John did not heat the fuel.
Hydrogen will not be the fuel of the future because it requires a specific frequency to produce the hydrogen until then it will remain dead in the water. Another thing to make a car run right on hydrogen you need to have hydrogen spark plugs and some old guy has a patent on it. I believe Hydrogen to take off when someone puts it all on paper especially the right frequency.The trouble is someone always wants to get rich on the invention and it will never happen because of our Goverment they always die or get forgotten or payed off from some oil company. This needs to be done on a open source like this blog and to further contribute to the project at hand. The money will not come from a patent it will come from simple garages around the world charging a reasonable price once we get that going they won’t be able to stop us and this is the truth. If we sit here on the internet all day instead of getting an old brigs and stratton engine to do some testing at different temps for vaporized gas or different things for hydrogen experiments, we won’t ever get anything done talking about it and waiting on someone to come up with a magical idea. I dont have a mill or a lathe but but I got a lot of tools and the things that I need fabricated I will out source and when I get it finished I will post it on youtube and any other blog I can find and then print thousands of copys of the design and put them everywhere so the goverment or the oil company’s wont be able to control it but they may try and put a $4.00 gallon tax on fuel I could see that happening but I’ll just run on wood gas I would like to see them tax that lol. To end this long rant I will say Yahushua bless every one of my brothers and sisters in Yahushua and I pray that Yahushua will help us some how change our evil/demonic/country’s goverment.
EFI Engineer, are you talking to me, Steve? My idea was to super heat the fuel injection lines. Sounds like you have done a lot with cars. I must admit that I am more of a thinker than a fabricator. But I am pretty good with my hands and tools. I have never worked with injectors. But, … , does it seem to make sense that the fuel rail could be super heated to a temperature that would cause the fuel to ‘flash’ to vapor as soon as it exited the injector? Would it be likely to return to droplets as it encountered cooler induction air? That would result in an overly lean and probably incombustible a/f mixture? I hope you’re thinking my idea has potential. Where u be? I am in North Florida. Right now I do not have email. HEY !! if this vapor fuel thing doesn’t workout we can always start an NSA email service, GUARANTEED TO NEVER GET LOST, NOT EVEN IN A MILLION YEARS !!! AND IF IT DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING TO THE RECIPIENTS WE ARE CERTAIN TO CONTORT IT UNTIL IT MEANS SOMETHING TO US! !!! Steve.
I don’t know where to start, i can go on and on…. but i can help you do this the right way..I am a efi engineer/tuner and mechanic/fabricator. been working on combustible engines since I was a little boy and was always fascinated with them. I too am pursuing the same dream. well have already done it just not in a form of selling kits to the public and telling the world i did this.. just on my own race car which Me,Myself and I built and tuned through a standalone computer (pcm) and some really sophisticated computer software only a few people in the country know how to use (same stuff nascar just went to like last year..there behind in my book)… you need the standalone pc or piggback another computer to a factory PCM to do this really PRO.control the fuel flow through a pwm signal just like injectors are driven or idle air control valves. without a computer its simply shooting in the dark. the post up top is right about water vapor as well. fuel cools a engine not vapor..with computer you can control a/f ratio faster then ANYTHING MECHANICALLY and also control every other 1000+ things going on a second in the pcm to make a efi engine run… through this computer and software the sky is the limit pretty much.. I am able to get around 1200 hp on ethanol which is under 3 bucs at the local gas pump on a 3.0 liter Toyota turbocharged engine and drive daily on the street and pass emissions if I needed..me and a electrical engineer friend on mine have the first and only lexus to make over 800 rear wheel horsepower and pass 0b2 federal emissions. I can make more power but i am running out of turbo CFM and fuel.. now my project has moved towards gas milage, which is good cause its easier to do then make BIG HP on small engines. I prefer to use gasoline fumes because its simply better for a combustible iron engine. getting a engine to make incredible gas mileage is really incredibly easy when controlling/building and programming your own pcm think how nice it is to make fumes, store fumes, inject fumes, with map sensor or mass air flow pressure tables in the software, as cylinder temps go up tell the computer to retard timing at lightening fast speeds (god bless processors) through 1000+ maps in the software. and inject water vapor.. remember things become cold when they evaporate. injecting tiny bits of water in the engine at the right times being told through the computer and software that I am programming and telling what to do. I will not go public and big with such a great thing cause you will end up shit out of luck. but for personal use and boost economy on regular cars can be sold without being shot =) simply put electronically fuel injecting the vapor is the only way to do this in a big way as all modern cars have a pcm that needs to be tuned for pure vapor. carbs are a thing of the past for Great reasons! need a hand shoot me a email efimastertech at gmail dot com I too am a high school dropout and broke as hell like all others that make it happen lol
I would really like to get plans for a system like this. I have been thinking along these lines for quite some time but instead of playing with the Geo’s or the other econo-boxes, why has someone not yet done a system like this on a truck, you know, something that is practical and would positively effect those in the construction or hauling industry. I have a Chevy Suburban (older one) that is currently getting 10 mpg. With number like John Weston is getting, I should have no problem getting 100 mpg with a similar system. I would encourage John to market it himself, privately to individuals. The minute he decides to go “public” he puts himself in a situation where he, too, could end up mysteriously dying and all his research will end up missing. That is what happened to Stanley Meyers. You are a fool to think that you can position yourself as a threat to the oil industry and not have all kinds of retribution. Just get it out there one by one and eventually there will be so much demand for it that the oil companies can’t fight it. I wish these inventors would just offer plans for sale (and for a reasonable price) and make their money that way and installing systems. don’t go public if you value your life and research material. please!!
j. bunting